Q: Are you enlightened?
A: Yes and no.
Q: Yes and no?
A: "Enlightenment" does not exist. It is a mere label. By itself
it is a rabbit-hole of goose chases.
Just like an untamed human Mind without a serious human behind it
will lose itself in goose chases and rabbit-holes
taking the human with it.
Q: But it is so widely used and there are so many that write and talk
about it, starting from Wikipedia all the way to some famous spiritual gurus.
A: Precisely.
Q: I do not understand?
A: Friend, let us use the example of the label "six-pack".
Both of us were crazy about it in our youth.
To say that we "chased it" would be undermining our
efforts that spanned years of striving for it.
We did everything to the Tee, did we not?
Training, diet, supplements, rest and recovery,
compound and simple exercises, yada, yada.
And while we glimpsed it here and there,
did we truly get it like the tutorials, programs,
and flashy pictures and videos promised us that we will?
Q: I see your point.
A: It is the same thing with "enlightenment" or even the label "Truth".
What they are promising you is a life-long chase for the real stuff.
Q: You are saying all these "enlightened" people are not enlightened?
A: Once again, yes and no.
It is far more revealing to speak about these things without labels.
Q: But Minds need languages to communicate. And
what are languages if not a dictionary of labels?
A: True.
And therein also lies the problem with languages.
Q: Okay, how else do we talk about these enlightened people,
umm, not being enlightened in truth?
A: Their actions.
Action is the closest thing to the Truth.
Words are labels.
Fancy labels are the life-blood of not just the "enlightenment industry",
but of all industries.
Let us look at what they did and what they are doing to this day.
Q: And what do they do?
A: They rely on labels of enlightenment, peace, inner-quietude, god, grace, etc.
to continue to market (the lie) that they are that thing or entity which
they think is being "enlightened".
If they were truly truly truly that thing or entity,
they ought to have seen through the web of lies that these
labels blind the human Mind with.
They ought to have seen the real problem of
why these people seek them out in the first place.
And instead of then doubling down on their agenda,
their actions ought to have reflected the visceral disgust that one feels,
when they see the madness for what it is.
Q: And all their thousands and thousands
of followers do the same thing as them?
A: Yes.
Q: Whoa that is messed up.
A: That is one way to label it.
Q: So I have to ask this.
What is the entity or thing that others think is being enlightened?
A: It is a feeling and also (a state of being open to) Knowledge.
A feeling that gets deeper with time.
Knowledge about the most basic, obvious things the Mind
will not find "interesting" enough to bother with.
This makes everything else in life
child's play. The Mind becomes an ally.
One becomes a vessel of purity and excellence.
But I must add that this description does not do justice in describing it fully.
For it is a visceral transformation, unexpressible in its true form in words.
One that can only be experienced.
Q: And you are that thing or entity?
A: We are all that thing or entity.
But our Minds keep us from arriving at that entity.
Your Mind has you as your personality.
These guru's Minds has them into doing these "guru" things,
and so forth.
Q: Okay, I also need to ask this then.
If you have truly found Truth, or as you say,
have arrived at that thing or entity that others think is "enlightenment",
why are you not famous?
A: Because I have not done enough.
Q: Done enough?
A: Yes.
Q: Done enough of what?
A: That which needs to be done through me.
Q: What is that?
A: There are a few things.
This conversation is one of them.
Q: What are the other things?
A: Time will tell, my friend.
Q: Does this include helping others like you have been helping me?
A: Let us speak Truth here, I have not "helped" you.
In fact, I have been doing the opposite, have I not?
You are finally starting to see how addicting
and soul-killing of a thing "help" really is.
Do you think others, like you, are looking to be "not-helped"?
Q: True. I forgot I am still bound to the lingo of my Mind.
A: Rome was not built in a day.
But you did accidentally hit the nail on the head.
The problem is help.
Rare is the person who seeks to be freed from the need for this poison "help".
Q: And it is these rare people who you await?
A: I await no one, friend.
They will come when they will come.
Q: How long will that take?
A: Time will tell, my friend.
Time will tell.